(08:06:22 PM) The topic for #wikipedia-te is: Welcome/స్వాగతం
(08:06:25 PM) arjunaraoc: Yugandhar and Shijualex: This session will be logged and posted onto Tewiki. If you have any topics which you want to discuss privately use /PRIVMSG command or do it after the session ends at 09:00PM
(08:06:32 PM) arjunaraoc: Hi tuxnani
(08:06:45 PM) Yugandhar: ok
(08:06:47 PM) Shijualex: sure
(08:06:56 PM) tuxnani: అందరికీ నమస్కారం
(08:07:01 PM) arjunaraoc: Shall we start the session with one line introductions.
(08:07:24 PM) arjunaraoc: hi tuxnani Today we are using English as default language for chat, as Shiju is joining.
(08:07:29 PM) tuxnani: Will tiday's session be in telugu/english?
(08:07:37 PM) tuxnani: ok
(08:07:51 PM) tuxnani: I'll change my nick so as that everyone recognises
(08:07:54 PM) Rajasekhar1961 [7aaf0c15@gateway/web/freenode/ip.122.175.12.21] entered the room.
(08:08:02 PM) You are now known as Rahmanuddin
(08:08:03 PM) arjunaraoc: If we have any only Telugu speaker, we will translate once in a while.
(08:08:04 PM) Rajasekhar1961: hello everyone
(08:08:11 PM) arjunaraoc: Hello Rajasekhar1961
(08:08:16 PM) arjunaraoc: we missed you last week
(08:08:41 PM) Rajasekhar1961: sorry I am some unsheduled work last week.
(08:09:09 PM) Yugandhar: Hello everyone....This is Yugandhar, an under grad student from Vijayawada
(08:09:20 PM) Rahmanuddin: Hi Yugandhar garu
(08:09:33 PM) Rajasekhar1961: Yugandhar: welcome
(08:09:43 PM) arjunaraoc: Hi, I am Arjuna Rao Chavala, Telugu wikipedian for four years and currently President of Wikimedia India
(08:09:56 PM) Shijualex: Good evening all. This is Shiju, basically a Malayalam wikipedian. Now trying to help other Indic language wiki communities also
(08:10:22 PM) Rajasekhar1961: Shijualex: welcome to Telugu wikipedia sir
(08:10:27 PM) Yugandhar: hello rahmanuddin ji and thnk u rajasekhar garu
(08:10:30 PM) Rahmanuddin: Hi, I am Rahmanuddin from Hyderabad. Wikipedian since 2 years
(08:11:01 PM) arjunaraoc: Rahmanuddin is also Telugu SIG(part of Wikimedia India) chair
(08:11:21 PM) arjunaraoc: Rajasekhar1961: can you introduce yourself?
(08:11:44 PM) Rajasekhar1961: I am wikipedian for the last 5 years in Hyderabad.
(08:12:00 PM) Rahmanuddin: Whats the agenda for today, arjunaraoc garu?
(08:12:02 PM) arjunaraoc: BTW Yugandhar. You can read more about Wikimedia India at http://wiki.wikimedia.in
(08:12:03 PM) Shijualex: :) Glad to meet all of you online
(08:12:20 PM) arjunaraoc: Thanks Shiju for joining
(08:12:28 PM) Rajasekhar1961: we may start discussion.
(08:12:33 PM) Rahmanuddin: thanks shiju for joining
(08:12:34 PM) arjunaraoc: Before we start the agenda, I would like to say few words
(08:13:53 PM) arjunaraoc: I wanted to show you Jan 2012 stats
(08:14:25 PM) arjunaraoc: If you see that we have made decent improvement in Active contributors.
(08:14:47 PM) Rahmanuddin: Its all for your efforts put in, arjunaraoc
(08:14:49 PM) arjunaraoc: I think the reason is could be siteNotice appealing for editors and partly the weekly chats
(08:14:56 PM) Rahmanuddin: But still we have way to go
(08:15:22 PM) arjunaraoc: Rahmanuddin: Yes. The key is how we can sustain this growth and increase it further
(08:15:37 PM) arjunaraoc: The page views have gone up very marginally.
(08:15:37 PM) Rahmanuddin: We need to add WEIGHTS and VALUE to content now
(08:15:46 PM) arjunaraoc: from 2.4 to 2.6M
(08:16:13 PM) arjunaraoc: More importantly, I just would like to highlight some accomplishments as a team.
(08:16:26 PM) arjunaraoc: We had Hyderabad wiki day celebration.
(08:16:39 PM) arjunaraoc: Few Telugu Wikipedians have applied for Wikimania
(08:16:53 PM) arjunaraoc: We revamed the main page layout.
(08:17:07 PM) arjunaraoc: We got new admin and bureacrat elected.
(08:17:15 PM) Rahmanuddin: Also set up of wikipedia helpline center
(08:17:19 PM) Shijualex: Yes, it is nice to see number of active contributors slowly increasing. This trend will continue if we continue our outreach efforts
(08:17:41 PM) arjunaraoc: Rajasekhar1961: Any update on helpline
(08:17:45 PM) arjunaraoc: any calls i mean
(08:18:28 PM) arjunaraoc: While I wait for Rajasekhar1961's response some more updates
(08:18:51 PM) arjunaraoc: Few new wikipedians joined webchats (1 or 2 per chat).
(08:19:03 PM) arjunaraoc: We firmed up 2012 Goals and identified priorities
(08:19:12 PM) arjunaraoc: Any thing I missed?
(08:19:40 PM) Rahmanuddin: most of the activities are covered in 2012 goals and priorities
(08:19:54 PM) Rajasekhar1961: No calls for live demo
(08:20:13 PM) arjunaraoc: Rahmanuddin: I saw your note about quality. Full agree. Even more than new pages, improvement of existing pages and maintainance tasks should be higher priority
(08:20:14 PM) Rahmanuddin: sadly, most plans of organising wikipedia academies are not going beyond planning
(08:20:52 PM) arjunaraoc: Thx Rajasekhar1961 , I think we need to publicize help center on Tewiki or otherwise more.
(08:20:56 PM) arjunaraoc: we will come to that.
(08:21:06 PM) arjunaraoc: Now I would like to switch to first agenda
(08:21:20 PM) Rajasekhar1961: I also think advertisement is the key to popularize our efforts.
(08:21:21 PM) Rahmanuddin: Please list out all of them
(08:21:21 PM) arjunaraoc has changed the topic to: సహాయం కావాల్సినవి (Help required by Telugu Wikipedia)-- తెవికీ సభ్యులు(Telugu WIkipedians)
(08:22:15 PM) Rajasekhar1961: I need help and someone to involve i the graphic works in Telugu wikipedia.
(08:22:35 PM) Rahmanuddin: arjunaraoc: lets take up each of them and discuss
(08:22:36 PM) Shijualex: what type of help is required?
(08:22:41 PM) Rahmanuddin: Rajasekhar1961: what help?
(08:22:44 PM) arjunaraoc: Template clean up and incorporating better templates for state/district people places etc
(08:22:51 PM) Shijualex: and what type of graphics?
(08:23:22 PM) Rajasekhar1961: templates and infoboxes from English wikipedia does not work in Telugu wikipedia.
(08:23:37 PM) arjunaraoc: Development and use of Bots for improving the quality. Earlier Vyzasathya used to run bots. He is no longer active for more than 1.5 year
(08:23:47 PM) Rahmanuddin: I see that many articles have some tags not well formed syntactically and shown as errors, how to get all those pages?
(08:23:52 PM) Yugandhar: That technical part of templates, I can contribute something to it
(08:29:58 PM) Rahmanuddin: వంటి పేజీలలో మూసలు అపసవ్యంగా ఉన్నాయి
(08:29:59 PM) Shijualex: From community perspective, we know to run any major project we need many active contributors. The current community strength of TE wiki is not encourging, even though it is increasing now
(08:30:30 PM) arjunaraoc| [~arjunarao@59.96.43.222] entered the room.
(08:30:47 PM) Shijualex: So all my ideas is to increase to community strength and to increase collabrationbetween existing editors
(08:30:49 PM) Rahmanuddin: వాటిని ఒకే సారి గుర్తించటం ఎలా, ప్రతి పేజీకి వెళ్ళి పరికించే బదులు ఆయా పేజీల్లో మూసలు సరిగా లేవని ఎలా తెలుసుకోవటం?
(08:31:04 PM) arjunaraoc: Do not worry, that is my smartphone login, as I have a power disruption on my desktop.
(08:31:13 PM) Rahmanuddin: ok
(08:31:23 PM) Shijualex: 2 suggestions I have are:
(08:31:58 PM) arjunaraoc: I may switchover, if power fails on my desktop
(08:32:08 PM) Shijualex: 1. Give more prefernce to online outreach. It will fetch more results than offline outreach
(08:32:10 PM) arjunaraoc: Go ahead Shijualex
(08:32:38 PM) Shijualex: I have live examples from kannada, Assamese, malayalam, and Tamil for these
(08:33:04 PM) Shijualex: So target Telugu blogs, FB and other social networking sites
(08:33:06 PM) Rahmanuddin: Shijualex: exactly, And for this, how did Malayalam / tamil people approach?
(08:33:58 PM) Shijualex: Mostly it is blogs, Google plus, Google bus, bloggers meet, Facebook group, and so on
(08:34:04 PM) arjunaraoc: Request Rahmanuddin to save the webchat, as I may have a problem due to power disruption
(08:34:09 PM) Rahmanuddin: ok
(08:34:28 PM) Shijualex: That is about outside wiki activity
(08:34:37 PM) Shijualex: Now my second point is
(08:34:53 PM) Shijualex: increase collabration between editors inside wiki
(08:35:07 PM) Rahmanuddin: ok
(08:35:47 PM) Rahmanuddin: arjunaraoc: what are various approaches adopted earlier for collaboration among editors?
(08:35:57 PM) Shijualex: Now in most indic wikis editors are randomly working on articles that they like. In most cases there is no collabration between editos
(08:36:31 PM) arjunaraoc: Rahmanuddin: We have decided on one or two projects and collective focus on Essay of week.
(08:36:43 PM) Shijualex: my suggestion on this is, while we work on the topics we like, we should find small wiki projects to collabrate with other editors
(08:37:06 PM) arjunaraoc: Discussion pages are being used. We have not much ventured in to e publicity except for facebook group and recently started facebook page
(08:37:26 PM) Shijualex: Arjuna recently suggested the idea of using Google translated article for a Wiki project
(08:37:29 PM) Rajasekhar1961: Shijualex: can you give an example for collaboration betwee the editors
(08:37:39 PM) arjunaraoc: We have AP Districts as a project. We are yet to get traction
(08:37:42 PM) Rahmanuddin: earlier attempts to post in buzz and + didnt work out, maybe asking public in general isnt a good idea
(08:38:25 PM) arjunaraoc: Shijualex: you may see the current project e.wikipedia.org/wiki/వికీపీడియా:WikiProject/ఆంధ్ర_ప్రదేశ్_జిల్లాలు#.E0.B0.9C.E0.B0.BF.E0.B0.B2.E0.B1.8D.E0.B0.B2.E0.B0.BE.E0.B0.B2_.E0.B0.AD.E0.B0.BE.E0.B0.A7.E0.B1.8D.E0.B0.AF.E0.B0.A4
(08:38:31 PM) Shijualex: So I researched on it a bit and I found there are many tasks that we need to accomplish in google articles to convert that into a good article
(08:39:22 PM) Rajasekhar1961: Shijualex: to improve the google article takes more time than writing a similar new article.
(08:39:52 PM) Shijualex: I know this issue. That is why I divided that into different sub tasks
(08:40:12 PM) Shijualex: So one person doesn't need to do all the tasks
(08:40:29 PM) arjunaraoc: Rajasekhar1961: Use of bot to clean up red links can help.
(08:40:42 PM) arjunaraoc: Some translators have done good job.
(08:40:47 PM) Shijualex: For example, a non-native telugu speaker like me can work on few of the tasks
(08:41:05 PM) arjunaraoc: So improving taking more time may not be universal
(08:41:21 PM) Shijualex: But only a Telugu speaker can work on the actual content and improving it
(08:41:39 PM) Rajasekhar1961: Shijualex: this will help greatly for others to accomplish the task.
(08:41:52 PM) arjunaraoc: Actually I find that as top rated english pages are translated, the comprehensiveness of google translation beats any of our best natively developed essays so far
(08:42:28 PM) Rajasekhar1961: subject related to me is ok. others unrelated articles; about which I do not know anything is difficult to modify or correct.
(08:42:29 PM) Shijualex: As you can see in all these articles it is not only rewriting or enhancing content, there are many tasks that needs to be done
(08:42:47 PM) arjunaraoc: Shijualex: No need to work on flagging each translator and their articles. we have a category for machine translation
(08:43:28 PM) arjunaraoc: Get red links removed will be great help.
(08:43:46 PM) Shijualex: why I took articles by a particular user because, when I did the same thing in Hindi I found most of the mistakes by a translator is similar
(08:44:15 PM) arjunaraoc: i see
(08:44:16 PM) Shijualex: so correcting a set of articles by a user was easy
(08:44:35 PM) Rajasekhar1961: arjunaraoc: may be we have to allott a month on these pages to work collectively to convert at least some of them into meaningful articles.
(08:44:53 PM) arjunaraoc: In case my smartphone also drains out, request Rahmanudding to take over and conclude the official chat. switching to smartphone chat
(08:44:59 PM) arjunaraoc left the room.
(08:45:41 PM) Shijualex: yeah, community need to decide on set of articles that they plan to work on each month and divide the tasks
(08:45:52 PM) Rajasekhar1961: Shijualex: you mean we have to classify these articles by the editor
(08:46:08 PM) arjunaraoc|: Hi from smartphone
(08:46:10 PM) Shijualex: No. I canp with that hel
(08:46:18 PM) Shijualex: I can help with that
(08:46:24 PM) Rahmanuddin: I am using pidgin
(08:46:28 PM) Rahmanuddin: so its auto saved
(08:46:35 PM) Rahmanuddin: I checked and ensured that as well
(08:46:46 PM) arjunaraoc [~arjunarao@223.227.233.178] entered the room.
(08:46:48 PM) Rajasekhar1961: some editors have done good job and needs less time for correction.
(08:47:16 PM) Shijualex: what community can do is, pick one task for an article and finish it
(08:47:22 PM) Rahmanuddin: ok
(08:47:26 PM) Rahmanuddin: sounds good
(08:47:47 PM) Shijualex: For example, I can help you with taks 3, Remove red link templates ( or create new templates)
(08:48:11 PM) Shijualex: but I cannot help with rewriting or enhancing content
(08:48:38 PM) Shijualex: so when I finish that task I will add my name near the task
(08:48:39 PM) JVRKPRASAD [ca3f708c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.202.63.112.140] entered the room.
(08:48:48 PM) arjunaraoc: Shijualex te community is not in a good shape for that.
(08:49:26 PM) Rahmanuddin: Shijualex: will it be mere removal of red linked templates or an effort to retain them with alternate templates in telugu?
(08:49:27 PM) arjunaraoc: There is one editor who is interested to cleanup google articles
(08:49:33 PM) Shijualex: This is just my suggestion, If community can find a better methodology for this you can very well work on oy
(08:50:24 PM) Rajasekhar1961: Shijualex: you can guide us in cleaning these articles time to time.
(08:50:25 PM) arjunaraoc: Please help with red link removal as a first step
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(08:50:31 PM) Shijualex: Removal of templates can be done using a bot. I will request the help of Sundar, Tamil wikipedian who already did this in tamil wikipedia
(08:50:47 PM) Rajasekhar1961: Shijualex: and also classifying them by editor.
(08:51:20 PM) Shijualex: sure, I will help with that
(08:51:35 PM) arjunaraoc: RajRajasekhar1961
(08:52:03 PM) Rajasekhar1961: the articles may be allotted like the district work to different editors in telugu community.
(08:52:06 PM) arjunaraoc: That can be done by bot also
(08:52:11 PM) Rajasekhar1961: it is voluntary.
(08:52:49 PM) Rajasekhar1961: or the telugu editor some of his choice from the total list of google articles.
(08:52:50 PM) Rahmanuddin: We also need to have a category for all those articles without proper category. So that they can be easily sorted out
(08:53:09 PM) arjunaraoc: Can you address template, wiktionary help shijualex
(08:53:56 PM) Rajasekhar1961: Shijualex: wiktionary to link up with many world languages, what is the best method.
(08:54:18 PM) Shijualex: I think Yugandhar voluntered to help for Templates
(08:54:24 PM) arjunaraoc: Rahmanuddin we need to identify one coordinator to interface with Shiju. Any volunteers
(08:54:52 PM) Rajasekhar1961: arjun will be the correct person.
(08:55:00 PM) Rahmanuddin: Lets ask the same in రచ్చబండ
(08:55:22 PM) Shijualex: I will help regarding the Wiktionary, Rajasekhar1961 could you send me a mail?
(08:55:48 PM) arjunaraoc: Rajasekhar1961 thx. I am taking up main page. Need others to help
(08:56:17 PM) Yugandhar: yes I did volunteer fr the templates
(08:56:28 PM) Rajasekhar1961: Shijualex: nationalpathlab@yahoo.co.in is my email, we will be in touch.
(08:56:59 PM) Shijualex: sure. you can mail me at shiju@wikimedia.org
(08:57:09 PM) JVRKPRASAD: Shijualex:: thanks to your posting @ the time [20:55]
(08:57:11 PM) Rajasekhar1961: I am taking care of the this day and new pages
(08:57:37 PM) arjunaraoc: Yugandhar thanks. Suggest working with other techs in English or other wikis
(08:57:52 PM) Rahmanuddin: arjunaraoc: shall we move to next agenda?
(08:58:13 PM) Yugandhar: ok... I will get in touch with them
(08:58:21 PM) Rajasekhar1961: wiktionary is another important project of Telugu wikipedia
(08:58:48 PM) Rajasekhar1961: particularly to build Telugu language.
(08:58:54 PM) arjunaraoc: If we have volunteer coordinators identified. Fine
(08:59:05 PM) JVRKPRASAD: wiktionary is not directly linked with other languages, only brown dictionary was linke with them
(08:59:47 PM) arjunaraoc: Who has volunteered for google work
(08:59:55 PM) Rajasekhar1961: Shijualex: You should help us to link the telugu words to other world languages.
(09:00:44 PM) Shijualex: Rajasekhar1961: could you send ma mail metioning all wiktionary needs? keep important wiktionary users also in cc
(09:01:03 PM) Rajasekhar1961: I can take up some pages in google pages
(09:01:29 PM) Rajasekhar1961: Shijualex: I will be in touch with you along with JVRK Prasad
(09:01:51 PM) Shijualex: sure. thanks. look forward to that
(09:01:52 PM) arjunaraoc: Rajasekhar1961 thx please start may be sujatha will also join
(09:02:18 PM) Rajasekhar1961: bye good night.
(09:02:22 PM) JVRKPRASAD: telugu wiktionary is to be linked with the wiktionaries of other languages as well as at the page of [1]
(09:03:46 PM) Shijualex: could one of you suggest a good telugu name for this
(09:04:08 PM) Shijualex: so that I can rename and move that page to proper namespace
(09:04:10 PM) arjunaraoc: Rahmanuddin I wanted to discuss the future of web chat.
(09:04:54 PM) arjunaraoc: Shijualex we will have it done by rajasekhar off line
(09:05:10 PM) Shijualex: sure, fine
(09:05:36 PM) arjunaraoc: Thx shijualex for joining and offering help
(09:05:52 PM) Shijualex: it is my pleasure :)
(09:06:17 PM) Rahmanuddin: I feel we should continue it until
(09:06:25 PM) Rahmanuddin: ours is a self sustained group
(09:06:59 PM) Rahmanuddin: Its not a burden on me, but one thing, I expected people to come here and ask for help, I mean new persons, Its not happening
(09:07:03 PM) arjunaraoc: The attendance is not very encouraging some time.
(09:07:22 PM) JVRKPRASAD: I am also interested to suggest a beautiful good name for the forthcoming project ...
(09:07:25 PM) Rahmanuddin: maybe we are not announcing it to reach more people
(09:07:41 PM) Rahmanuddin: also the link misses out = everytime and its a great problem
(09:07:57 PM) Rahmanuddin: maybe we should write at mailing list or blog about it
(09:08:01 PM) Rahmanuddin: You too blog it
(09:08:06 PM) arjunaraoc: I have been steering it so far. I may be travelling and would like another to take charge
(09:08:34 PM) Yugandhar: Also Rahmanuddin garu, you can send out an announcement to universities asking students and profs to participate in this
(09:09:08 PM) Rahmanuddin: Managing it on saturdays, is fine for me. Am able to drop in in time
(09:09:13 PM) arjunaraoc: 50000 target is less than a month away. It may be useful to continue.
(09:09:35 PM) JVRKPRASAD: Is there any posibility to provide a chat room just like google at the first page of wikipedia, sirs ?
(09:10:01 PM) arjunaraoc: Rahmanuddin, can you run this for 4-6 weeks?
(09:10:13 PM) Shijualex: :) and advance congrats for the 50,000 milestone :)
(09:10:19 PM) Rahmanuddin: I will try
(09:10:22 PM) Rahmanuddin: yes
(09:10:24 PM) Rahmanuddin: I would
(09:10:32 PM) Rahmanuddin: thanks Shijualex
(09:10:38 PM) arjunaraoc: Jvrkprasad. They are not feasible as of now.
(09:11:42 PM) arjunaraoc: Rahmanuddin. Take it up firmly and make sure there is a standby if you are not going to be available for awee
(09:11:53 PM) Rahmanuddin: ok
(09:11:57 PM) Rahmanuddin: sure
(09:12:02 PM) Rahmanuddin: are we concluding now?
(09:12:09 PM) Rahmanuddin: Or anyone has something to say?
(09:12:38 PM) Rahmanuddin: JVRKPRASAD: ఇది ఆఫ్టాపిక్ అయినా, మీరు ఒమేగా వికీ లో ప్రయత్నిస్తే సరిపోతుంది
(09:12:40 PM) Shijualex: is there is any update on integrating narayam to TE wiki?
(09:14:06 PM) JVRKPRASAD: to reach 50000 target, it may be possible to arise (మొలకలు) Sprigs sufficiently. [may please be taken as :)]
(09:15:13 PM) Shijualex: make sure to give enough advt in social networking sites when we reach 50,000 artilces :)
(09:15:27 PM) Shijualex: that is an occasion to reach more new users
(09:15:32 PM) Rahmanuddin: ok
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(09:16:41 PM) Rahmanuddin: thanks everyone for joining
(09:17:02 PM) Rahmanuddin: మరలా వచ్చే శనివారం కలుద్దాం
(09:18:09 PM) Shijualex: good night every one. See you all at another time
(09:18:12 PM) JVRKPRASAD: <Shijualex>:you are requested to allot one person to telugu wiktionary to rennovate the site
(09:18:33 PM) arjunaraoc [3b5cb911@gateway/web/freenode/ip.59.92.185.17] entered the room.
(09:18:36 PM) JVRKPRASAD: <Shijualex> and to all: good night
(09:18:46 PM) arjunaraoc: Back on my desktp
(09:19:18 PM) arjunaraoc: hi Rahmanuddin Are you on?
(09:19:22 PM) Rahmanuddin: యెప్
(09:19:37 PM) arjunaraoc: ok. Shall we conclude the official session
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(09:20:16 PM) arjunaraoc: The official chat session is over.
(09:20:16 PM) Rahmanuddin: ok
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